Passage W: The War in Eastern Europe
Intro: War is often seen as gory and where many soilders break down emotionally and physically.
Thesis: In the "The War in Eastern Euope" by John Reed demostrates how soilders were much more calm and rational towards each others back then, leading to their downfall because of destroying their emotionall well-being. John Reed displays that theme by his diction, giving the reader a better understanding of the relax relationship between the two parties. His sentence structure shows how fast-paced war is, showing the true destruction behind the mens rational actions. Drastic imagery is shown, as the soilders shown to deal with this on a daily basis.
I: Reeds diction demostartes how war is not as seriou as it seems.
a: "and we were off" -gives a race type of a feeling, to let the soilders focus on competetion to see who would complete the objective first.
b: men are constantly having fun fun with Ivan, ignoring the seriousness of the battle.
c: horses are even "impressed," giving more light in the battle, as they are into war compare to previous wars.
II. Reeds ideas are constantly shifting to what the soilders are doing.
a: Soilders traveling to so many places, such as Romania, Bucouina, etc.
b: Men go through towns with barely any emotions: “great brown soldiers." Associating how the color brown is a dull and not as exiciting, attacking their emotional health.
c: Soilders are constatnly listening to the sound of a cannon, "leisurely sound," as it is commonly heard.
III. Reeds imagery gives the reality of war, the actions of soilders is what brings out the cruel side of war.
a: “Puffs of smoke unfolding” Showing the collapse of many houses
b: "dazzling in the sun" how the tower looks so appealing, but is soon to collapse by soilders.
c: “minute figures running about” many soilders scatter through the bullets, explotions, etc, running from death.
Conclusion: Reed shows even through the calm actions of soilders, they are destroyed by the reality of war.
Comenntary "siren song"
Siren Song (Commentary)
Siren Song
This is the one song everyone
would like to learn: the song
that is irresistible:
the song that forces men
to leap overboard in squadron
seven though they see beached skulls
the song nobody knows
because anyone who had heard it
is dead, and the others can’t remember.
Shall I tell you the secret
and if I do, will you get me
out of this bird suit?I don’t enjoy it here
squatting on this island
looking picturesque and mythical
with these two feathery maniacs,I don’t enjoy singing
this trio, fatal and valuable.
I will tell the secret to you,to you,
only to you.Come closer. This song
is a cry for help:Help me!
Only you, only you can,you are unique
at last.
Alasit is a boring songbut it works every time.
In Margre Atwoods "Siren song" can be interpreted as a conceit which states womens role with the term "bird suit." The song the speaker mentions is the sterotype of how women trap men in relationships, as it cause men to "leap overboard in squadrons." This gives women complete control, as men will do just about anything. The third stanza explains what the speaker wishes toto do to this sterotype, escaping from the "bird suit." I have interpreted this ambigious term as the cycle of the sterotype of women luring the men in. The emotions from the speaker can be considered sarcastic, as in the last two stanzasthe speaker repeats "only you can save me," which can be interpreted in two different ways.
One. the speaker is serious, and wants to make the reader feel special, and the reader must try to stop a sterotype that has been happening for 1000's of years. The other way it can be interpreted is that the tone is completely sarcastic, and the speaker is addressing how much she hates the sterotype. The structure of the poem also reminds me of a typical poem, because it consists of just a introduction, body, and a conclusion really. I belive that Atwoods did this on purpose to show the traditional style of writing, just like the traditional steryoptype in the poem.
One key feature I notice that the speaker wants this steotype to be gone is that the speaker uses diction specifically in the body pargraph, where she mentions that she doesn't wat the sterotype to exist anymore, using words such as "skulls", "dead", "fatal". These words had reminded me that the speaker wants to destroy the sterotype, because why else would margret atwood use these words? Also her diction is shown in the title "siren song" I believe that margret atwood choose this as a title, because the speaker wants the end the steroptype.
Siren Song
This is the one song everyone
would like to learn: the song
that is irresistible:
the song that forces men
to leap overboard in squadron
seven though they see beached skulls
the song nobody knows
because anyone who had heard it
is dead, and the others can’t remember.
Shall I tell you the secret
and if I do, will you get me
out of this bird suit?I don’t enjoy it here
squatting on this island
looking picturesque and mythical
with these two feathery maniacs,I don’t enjoy singing
this trio, fatal and valuable.
I will tell the secret to you,to you,
only to you.Come closer. This song
is a cry for help:Help me!
Only you, only you can,you are unique
at last.
Alasit is a boring songbut it works every time.
In Margre Atwoods "Siren song" can be interpreted as a conceit which states womens role with the term "bird suit." The song the speaker mentions is the sterotype of how women trap men in relationships, as it cause men to "leap overboard in squadrons." This gives women complete control, as men will do just about anything. The third stanza explains what the speaker wishes toto do to this sterotype, escaping from the "bird suit." I have interpreted this ambigious term as the cycle of the sterotype of women luring the men in. The emotions from the speaker can be considered sarcastic, as in the last two stanzasthe speaker repeats "only you can save me," which can be interpreted in two different ways.
One. the speaker is serious, and wants to make the reader feel special, and the reader must try to stop a sterotype that has been happening for 1000's of years. The other way it can be interpreted is that the tone is completely sarcastic, and the speaker is addressing how much she hates the sterotype. The structure of the poem also reminds me of a typical poem, because it consists of just a introduction, body, and a conclusion really. I belive that Atwoods did this on purpose to show the traditional style of writing, just like the traditional steryoptype in the poem.
One key feature I notice that the speaker wants this steotype to be gone is that the speaker uses diction specifically in the body pargraph, where she mentions that she doesn't wat the sterotype to exist anymore, using words such as "skulls", "dead", "fatal". These words had reminded me that the speaker wants to destroy the sterotype, because why else would margret atwood use these words? Also her diction is shown in the title "siren song" I believe that margret atwood choose this as a title, because the speaker wants the end the steroptype.
Follower
My father worked with a horse plough,His shoulders globed like a full sail strungBetween the shafts and the furrow.The horses strained at his clicking tongue.
An expert. He would set the wingAnd fit the bright-pointed sock.The sod rolled over without breaking.At the headrig, with a single pluck
Of reins, the sweating team turned roundAnd back into the land. His eyeNarrowed and angled at the ground,Mapping the furrow exactly.
I stumbled in his hobnailed wake,Fell sometimes on the polished sod;Sometimes he rode me on his backDipping and rising to his plod.
I wanted to grow up and plough,To close one eye, stiffen my arm. All I ever did was followIn his broad shadow around the farm.
I was a nuisance, tripping, falling,Yapping always. But today It is my father who keeps stumbling Behind me, and will not go away. Seamus Heaney
In Seamus Heaney "Follower," he presents a dramatic stanza change, imagery, diction, similie, and I believe the perfect title for this poem. Time progresses in ezch stanza, as it is the son at first following his father, but later on, the speaker shows that his father is th dependent one, since the son has grwon up to be the independent one: "I was a nuisance, tripping, falling, Yapping always. But today It is my father who keeps stumbling Behind me, and will not go away." This comes from the last stanza, empahsizing on the change in style Heaney writes this one as well, as nowthe ideas are short, and simple ideas. The diction is key in the last stanza too, as it should be noted that the speaker uses past tense, as " I was a nuisance...." showing time has passed, and the speaker is no longer following the father. Its also in the last stanza when the speaker mentions when he was the follower, but now notice that the father has become the follower I believe. as the roles are reversed because the father depends on the speaker since he's old. whew, I really liked this commentary.
I want to talk about the similie that describes how strong the speaker describes the father: "His shoulders globed like a full sail strung." Kind of a interesting image for me, as I picture that the speakers dad is more then capable being a farmer, showing that he is a good role model for his father. Its because that the speaker likes how strong he is, comparing it to his future job, I may be that thats where he got the inspiration from. End rhyme also plays a significant role in the poem as well, it connects the stanza, so that the reader is able to tie the ideas together with what the speaker is tring to say: plod and sod, always and away, etc. I thought that was interesting that seamus heaney included that in the poem
I really liked this commentary as I saw so much to described about the poem, found that endless amount of papers could be written about this poem, idk, or maybe I got more experiance in this time around. The structure, short ideas towards the end, similie, the title itself, all stood out to me like a flashing light. lol. well this is what should benoted in Seamus Heaneys "follower."
My father worked with a horse plough,His shoulders globed like a full sail strungBetween the shafts and the furrow.The horses strained at his clicking tongue.
An expert. He would set the wingAnd fit the bright-pointed sock.The sod rolled over without breaking.At the headrig, with a single pluck
Of reins, the sweating team turned roundAnd back into the land. His eyeNarrowed and angled at the ground,Mapping the furrow exactly.
I stumbled in his hobnailed wake,Fell sometimes on the polished sod;Sometimes he rode me on his backDipping and rising to his plod.
I wanted to grow up and plough,To close one eye, stiffen my arm. All I ever did was followIn his broad shadow around the farm.
I was a nuisance, tripping, falling,Yapping always. But today It is my father who keeps stumbling Behind me, and will not go away. Seamus Heaney
In Seamus Heaney "Follower," he presents a dramatic stanza change, imagery, diction, similie, and I believe the perfect title for this poem. Time progresses in ezch stanza, as it is the son at first following his father, but later on, the speaker shows that his father is th dependent one, since the son has grwon up to be the independent one: "I was a nuisance, tripping, falling, Yapping always. But today It is my father who keeps stumbling Behind me, and will not go away." This comes from the last stanza, empahsizing on the change in style Heaney writes this one as well, as nowthe ideas are short, and simple ideas. The diction is key in the last stanza too, as it should be noted that the speaker uses past tense, as " I was a nuisance...." showing time has passed, and the speaker is no longer following the father. Its also in the last stanza when the speaker mentions when he was the follower, but now notice that the father has become the follower I believe. as the roles are reversed because the father depends on the speaker since he's old. whew, I really liked this commentary.
I want to talk about the similie that describes how strong the speaker describes the father: "His shoulders globed like a full sail strung." Kind of a interesting image for me, as I picture that the speakers dad is more then capable being a farmer, showing that he is a good role model for his father. Its because that the speaker likes how strong he is, comparing it to his future job, I may be that thats where he got the inspiration from. End rhyme also plays a significant role in the poem as well, it connects the stanza, so that the reader is able to tie the ideas together with what the speaker is tring to say: plod and sod, always and away, etc. I thought that was interesting that seamus heaney included that in the poem
I really liked this commentary as I saw so much to described about the poem, found that endless amount of papers could be written about this poem, idk, or maybe I got more experiance in this time around. The structure, short ideas towards the end, similie, the title itself, all stood out to me like a flashing light. lol. well this is what should benoted in Seamus Heaneys "follower."
Blackberry Picking Commentary.
In Seamus Heaney's "Blackberry Picking," the speaker constantly gives the reader images using taste, sight, as well as Heaneys carefully choosen diction. He uses colors such as red, green, grey,to show the reader different types of imagery in his metapphor. The structure of this poem also differs from his other poems such as Storm on the Island, Mid Term Break etc, which plays a significant role in the poem.
First off, I would like to talk about the colors Heaneys uses in "Blackberry Picking." He begins to describe the Blackberries such as the following "At first, just one, a glossy purple clotAmong others, red, green, hard as a knot." This gives a taste as well as a sight imagery as the reader can be able to see the color of the blackberry and being able to imagine the sweetness of the blackcherry. Another taste imagery that gives the blackberry's their sweet taste is inthese lines: "“hard as a knot." This shows how the speaker expresses the joy in able to pickthese ripe blackberries in his experiance when picking them. However later in the second stanza, the speakers describes the grapes as being :“a rat-grey fungus.” This completely shifts the imagery and tone of the poem as he gives a dull image withthe color grey, and descibes it as being a rat fungus like. That gives me a disgusting image, because rats are not that goodof animals, because they can give diseases.
The stanza structure by Heamus is the most important transition of the poem. He shifts from the blackberrys from being such a ripe and delicious taste type of imagery to the "rat-grey fungus" type. Now this transition indicates as how the season goes by, so does the sadness in his poem, by the blackberrys. He describes the juice in the blackberrys now as being "stinking" too in the second stanza. The speaker makes this distigiushen to be able to show that has times passes so does the lost of taste in the blackberrys. This could suggest more, symbolizing that the blackberries represent something more, as now they are corrupted as time passes. I am not sure if he means this with the blackberries, but I feel that the blackberries must represent something more for Heamus to be able to make this point in this poem.
Heamus was able use his diction of colors in his metaphors and similies, in order to establish the right kind of tone in each stanza. I also belive that the two sepreate are too create the effect as the time in summer comes to a conclusion, so does everything else that grows in that season dies off as well. I wish I could have other suggestion on what could the blackberries could represent in this poem. Or it mayjus be the speakers memory when he was young, but Seamus's poems appear way too simple then it actually seems. I think that he presented like this to tell that times changes things.
First off, I would like to talk about the colors Heaneys uses in "Blackberry Picking." He begins to describe the Blackberries such as the following "At first, just one, a glossy purple clotAmong others, red, green, hard as a knot." This gives a taste as well as a sight imagery as the reader can be able to see the color of the blackberry and being able to imagine the sweetness of the blackcherry. Another taste imagery that gives the blackberry's their sweet taste is inthese lines: "“hard as a knot." This shows how the speaker expresses the joy in able to pickthese ripe blackberries in his experiance when picking them. However later in the second stanza, the speakers describes the grapes as being :“a rat-grey fungus.” This completely shifts the imagery and tone of the poem as he gives a dull image withthe color grey, and descibes it as being a rat fungus like. That gives me a disgusting image, because rats are not that goodof animals, because they can give diseases.
The stanza structure by Heamus is the most important transition of the poem. He shifts from the blackberrys from being such a ripe and delicious taste type of imagery to the "rat-grey fungus" type. Now this transition indicates as how the season goes by, so does the sadness in his poem, by the blackberrys. He describes the juice in the blackberrys now as being "stinking" too in the second stanza. The speaker makes this distigiushen to be able to show that has times passes so does the lost of taste in the blackberrys. This could suggest more, symbolizing that the blackberries represent something more, as now they are corrupted as time passes. I am not sure if he means this with the blackberries, but I feel that the blackberries must represent something more for Heamus to be able to make this point in this poem.
Heamus was able use his diction of colors in his metaphors and similies, in order to establish the right kind of tone in each stanza. I also belive that the two sepreate are too create the effect as the time in summer comes to a conclusion, so does everything else that grows in that season dies off as well. I wish I could have other suggestion on what could the blackberries could represent in this poem. Or it mayjus be the speakers memory when he was young, but Seamus's poems appear way too simple then it actually seems. I think that he presented like this to tell that times changes things.
Loves Deity
In John Donnes poem Loves Deity, he presents a unique structure, diction with the words love and God, and imagery. What I found interesting about this poem it is a male speaker, I wonder why Donne had choose a male speaker for this poem.
When Donne presents Loves Deity, he specifically changes the last line of each stanza, stating that if the women loves him or doesn't love him. This structure for me, gave an imaage of the speaker picking the petals off a rose. This image came to mind, because the speaker couldn't decide if she loves him or not.
John Donne's poem also mentions the word god tons of times. I also notice that the word god was't capitialized in the poem, which I question John Donne's reasoning of not recogonizing "God" as a higher power. He uses words such as ungod, godhead, god of love, etc, which could suggest that Donne is showing his religon in this oem. These "god" references, may be that he wants to beleive that she loves him.
The speakers faith in the poem also changes, as in the in the first 3 stanzas, where he constantly makes references to god, but completely changes in the last stanza. He mentions that he is now atheist. Donne shows how the speaker no longer believes that his love may not love him no more, or at least that is one of many interpretaions I have saw.
When Donne presents Loves Deity, he specifically changes the last line of each stanza, stating that if the women loves him or doesn't love him. This structure for me, gave an imaage of the speaker picking the petals off a rose. This image came to mind, because the speaker couldn't decide if she loves him or not.
John Donne's poem also mentions the word god tons of times. I also notice that the word god was't capitialized in the poem, which I question John Donne's reasoning of not recogonizing "God" as a higher power. He uses words such as ungod, godhead, god of love, etc, which could suggest that Donne is showing his religon in this oem. These "god" references, may be that he wants to beleive that she loves him.
The speakers faith in the poem also changes, as in the in the first 3 stanzas, where he constantly makes references to god, but completely changes in the last stanza. He mentions that he is now atheist. Donne shows how the speaker no longer believes that his love may not love him no more, or at least that is one of many interpretaions I have saw.
John Donne Commentary
The good Marrow written by John Donne can be explained best by the use of his choice of words, or diction. He repeats words such as "love", and gives a tone of romance saying words such as "beauty", "pleasures", "childishly", and mention in the third stanza "true plain hearts." Overall, this gives the poem a warm romantic feeling for Donnes love, demostrating it using time. Starting with the first stanza, which represents the past, second stanza is the present, and the last stanza is what lies ahead with his love in the future.
In the first stanza is when the speaker first meets his love. It speaks of the joys they had, as they both had "sucked on country pleasures, childishly?" The speaker talks about the fun he had with his love, enjoying the aspects of what life had to offer. This was the beginnng of their relationship, as he saw "beauty" in her and thought of it as a "dream." Donne sets the tone of their being a romanance early in the speakers life. First stanza speaks of the beauties the speaker had with his love.
The second stanza presents current day, "now the good marrow." Right away I question Donnes diction cuz he could of said of morning, but choose marrow, why? I think he wanted to create a tone that will make the reader feel warmth reading marrow, rather then morning. Donne also talks about discovery into the world with his love. The speaker wishes to travel with his love with "sea discovries," meaning to travel the world with her.
The last stanza represents the future for them. He wishes to unite with his love, thou and I, Love so alike that none do slacken,none can die." This is the most important part of the stanza, because it speaks of how their loves cannot die if united as one. Donne speaks how the speaker and his love can be one using a tone of romance, and his diction being beauty.
In the first stanza is when the speaker first meets his love. It speaks of the joys they had, as they both had "sucked on country pleasures, childishly?" The speaker talks about the fun he had with his love, enjoying the aspects of what life had to offer. This was the beginnng of their relationship, as he saw "beauty" in her and thought of it as a "dream." Donne sets the tone of their being a romanance early in the speakers life. First stanza speaks of the beauties the speaker had with his love.
The second stanza presents current day, "now the good marrow." Right away I question Donnes diction cuz he could of said of morning, but choose marrow, why? I think he wanted to create a tone that will make the reader feel warmth reading marrow, rather then morning. Donne also talks about discovery into the world with his love. The speaker wishes to travel with his love with "sea discovries," meaning to travel the world with her.
The last stanza represents the future for them. He wishes to unite with his love, thou and I, Love so alike that none do slacken,none can die." This is the most important part of the stanza, because it speaks of how their loves cannot die if united as one. Donne speaks how the speaker and his love can be one using a tone of romance, and his diction being beauty.
Protest against fast foods in general
Ok, I did this on friday at the McDonalds on 60th and siver spring, just thought I say I did it when I would more likly have people come to Mcdonalds sice it was black friday. First off, I always had hated McDonalds food, it just disgusts me, there are just no nutrients in their food, also fast food resturants has been keeping America and the world obese more then ever. I just choose Mcdonalds because its the most common fast food resturant known. I don't see why people neglect their health by going to McDonalds. So I beleive that if I could organize flyers to hand out for the first 100 people that come in to McDonalds, maybe they would change their minds and eat something much more healthy.
So, then, it wasn't fun standing outside but it was the only way to get people's attension, trying to change their minds about the food they are eating at fast food resturants. what was on the flyers were information about the amount of calories they were eating. For example, I got one person to go eat somewhere else because I told him that a Big Mac is 600 calories, and he was going to have two! I also learned that a 1/4 with chees is 530, which convince me never to eat at Mcdonalds again. Anyway there was a list that explain some food items at Mcdonalds of how much saturated fat there is, and how could increase the chances of an heart attack because of clogged artierys.
Also on the flyer was a before and after picture Morgan Spurlock when he did that movie of Super size me, I thought that had helped a lot because most people were disgusted by the way he looked after 30 days of just eating big mac, fries, etc. I believe this had what got people most people toturn around and go to eat something more healthy, or I hope.
I was actually kind of surpise that some people took notice of me and turned around, but if they decided to go in anyway, I think I did all I could of done. People in the drive thru were easy to get, cuz they couldn't walk away from me, lol, but I do remember this one old lady that was went somewhere else because she read the part where it could increase the chance of having a heart attack, she took off. I thought I spend time well earned there, idk.
I actually felt pretty good after doing this, even though some people just disz me and just walked in, ha. I wonder if I should of persuade them and stop, but I thought that they already made up their mind, hmph. Things I do differently...well, I like to try different resturants, see if I got a different response, or show what has happen to people that have eaten Mcdonalds for a week, a year, or even their whole life, see what happens, if you continue to eat their.
I think I help some individuals with eating something more heathly then mcdonalds, which made feel good, but I think I will try something much easier, then doing this in winter... I will advise people to eat at places like subway, or at least not like burger king, or wendys, or whatever. I want people to feel better with their health.
So, then, it wasn't fun standing outside but it was the only way to get people's attension, trying to change their minds about the food they are eating at fast food resturants. what was on the flyers were information about the amount of calories they were eating. For example, I got one person to go eat somewhere else because I told him that a Big Mac is 600 calories, and he was going to have two! I also learned that a 1/4 with chees is 530, which convince me never to eat at Mcdonalds again. Anyway there was a list that explain some food items at Mcdonalds of how much saturated fat there is, and how could increase the chances of an heart attack because of clogged artierys.
Also on the flyer was a before and after picture Morgan Spurlock when he did that movie of Super size me, I thought that had helped a lot because most people were disgusted by the way he looked after 30 days of just eating big mac, fries, etc. I believe this had what got people most people toturn around and go to eat something more healthy, or I hope.
I was actually kind of surpise that some people took notice of me and turned around, but if they decided to go in anyway, I think I did all I could of done. People in the drive thru were easy to get, cuz they couldn't walk away from me, lol, but I do remember this one old lady that was went somewhere else because she read the part where it could increase the chance of having a heart attack, she took off. I thought I spend time well earned there, idk.
I actually felt pretty good after doing this, even though some people just disz me and just walked in, ha. I wonder if I should of persuade them and stop, but I thought that they already made up their mind, hmph. Things I do differently...well, I like to try different resturants, see if I got a different response, or show what has happen to people that have eaten Mcdonalds for a week, a year, or even their whole life, see what happens, if you continue to eat their.
I think I help some individuals with eating something more heathly then mcdonalds, which made feel good, but I think I will try something much easier, then doing this in winter... I will advise people to eat at places like subway, or at least not like burger king, or wendys, or whatever. I want people to feel better with their health.
Lysistrata people!!!
Ok wtf, no one has been posting stuff on Lysistrat, and I thought I was late on this shiz
Umm, yea I read it but....
Could you guys find any symbolsims in this play, how about motifs, dynamic characters, crap. I read this play for enjoyment cuz like in the other plays, it was so boring so it forced us to look at symbolism and all that jazz, but come on, I couln't find anythimg! At least I had enjoyed this play compaered to the other two. I know that women oppression was a theme, so was war and peace, hmm maybe I didn't forget everything about this play.
I certaintily remember the puns, I mean come on, English class isn't suppos to be this funny. (sorry Ms.D if your reading this) Comparing Lysistrata to the other plays made them seem like garbage. This play took me like around 2 hours to complete, but the others like 4 hours just because I had to go back and look for pistols, windows and that other crap. I hope we could have a class discussion on the meaning of all of these puns too, that would be awesome, and the other stuff, just to make sure that I actually read it and not lost, oh well.
I certaintily remember the puns, I mean come on, English class isn't suppos to be this funny. (sorry Ms.D if your reading this) Comparing Lysistrata to the other plays made them seem like garbage. This play took me like around 2 hours to complete, but the others like 4 hours just because I had to go back and look for pistols, windows and that other crap. I hope we could have a class discussion on the meaning of all of these puns too, that would be awesome, and the other stuff, just to make sure that I actually read it and not lost, oh well.
NEW ENDING!!!!
Comissioner talking
:Well Lysistrata we see that we can't give in to your demands cuz we like war so much, but the men don't know what to do with their sexuailty. So some of them have turned gay cuz of your stupid abstinence thing so unless you want to save the human race, I would stop.
Lysistrata talking:
NOOOOOO thats not fair the war needs to be stop to perseve the peace in the world,
Comissioner talking:
Look lady, you already have one hell of a war, do u want to end the human race too?
Lysistrata talking:
Don't listen to him ladies, we can still hold our ground. Eventrually they will give in.
20 years later
There is not a single human on the face of the earth. Abstinece is a bad thing. Don't do it to try to stop a war. amen
:Well Lysistrata we see that we can't give in to your demands cuz we like war so much, but the men don't know what to do with their sexuailty. So some of them have turned gay cuz of your stupid abstinence thing so unless you want to save the human race, I would stop.
Lysistrata talking:
NOOOOOO thats not fair the war needs to be stop to perseve the peace in the world,
Comissioner talking:
Look lady, you already have one hell of a war, do u want to end the human race too?
Lysistrata talking:
Don't listen to him ladies, we can still hold our ground. Eventrually they will give in.
20 years later
There is not a single human on the face of the earth. Abstinece is a bad thing. Don't do it to try to stop a war. amen
How else could Arisrophanes showed female oppression.
He did a good job showing this theme of female oppression, but I felt that he could of done more in this theme. For example, the women could of leave the men until they stoped fighting, or maybe even demanded more rights from the men, to be equal in government. I also think that he should of showed more examples of how the men were feeling about this. That way we could of gotten more laughs. Lysistrata should of got them to sign a peace treaty for like 10 years, that way they will be reminded on why they shouldn't start any wars, although the next generation may forget. These are all the ideas I can come up for now, I'll go back later
Would Lysistrata idea work now?
Before we did a journal on this, I was thinking about it and thought about it for a while cuz I kept changing my opinion. For example, the war with Iraq and the U.S. could of been ended if all of the women on both sides of the war, did abstinence, it might of worked, but it would of been hard for women then are married to husbands that arn't in the war to do this. And times have change were men can go on without sex, and this isn' fair to the troops that are over in Iraq. Also the Iraqians that are in the war may not care. I don't know, I just thought about this before we actually had a journal about it.
Pages 83-90
Hilarious on how Mrrrhine teases Kinesias. She now has all of the cards in her hand because he has to listen to her in order to get what he wants. She keeps on going back to get the most ridiculous thins, and his Kinesias reaction is just priceless, because he starts praying, wondering why on earth does is she doing this to him. Then I like how he says "Relax? I'm dying a slow death by dry goods," cuz he is just desperate at this point, pretty much would do anything. Lysistrata proberly should of ask for more from the men cuz they are just going nuts, based on Kinesias reaction. I lol when Mrrhine offered him perfume, she just wanted to piss him off. I just thought this scene overall was hilararious. It must be funny being in his position but Mrrhine gotta do what she gotta do in order to accomplish peace.
The ending to lysistrata?
I was quite disappointed as the book ended as I expected, how the men would resist at first but give in at the end. I didn't like that people were dancing and singing and the end, not that I don't like happy endings, but I would of perfer of some twist since this a comendy. And when we were doing this in groups, the person that summarizes, comes up with question etc, the predictor in our group also hated predicting because it wasn't a surprise that their was peace in the end. I mean that still made this a great book, with all of the comedy, but it felt like I was reading the ending again because I knew what was going to happen.
Still compaing the ending to the other two books, it still beats them, becasue it wasn't a peaceful ending. Well, I mean that the ending wasn't bad, but it was like sooooo expected. I didn't see that the women in the other two plays were going to commit suicide. Please can people tell me what they thought about the ending?
Still compaing the ending to the other two books, it still beats them, becasue it wasn't a peaceful ending. Well, I mean that the ending wasn't bad, but it was like sooooo expected. I didn't see that the women in the other two plays were going to commit suicide. Please can people tell me what they thought about the ending?
My topic on Lysistrata.
My question is to show how the author (can't remember name now) shows how he/she creates how men are violent/aggressive, and war like, and to show their counterpart women, that they are peaceful, resolved conflicts without violence, and willing to perserve life. So far, I think that this topic looks easier then it looks, because doing it orally would be difficult, because I think that I would have to to be able to repeat some stuff. Finding the quotes was pretty easy, with an explanation, but I then feel that this is going to be a lecture repeating what I say, I don't feel comfortable with that. Just wanted to say on how I felt about it.
College dudes
College sounds more particpation grade then doing written work, I like it. I'm tired of work just being shoved down my work, rather actually LEARNING something. Although, I wonder how they grade on particpation. I like the idea that college english classes are like TOK, awesom with every class being like kronke's. That way we learn more and be able to teach it to other classmates. This makes me wonder on why mps teaches this way, why don't they change the curriculum for juniors and seniors to get them ready for college.
I.B. is going to make college a joke. There is no way college can be harder then I.B., just no fricken way, It may be about the same amount of difficulty, but thats a good thing because they made me feel prepare for college. I also thought they were going to lecture us on how college would work, but they seemed more dependent on us for discussion. I wish I would of been more prepared.
I.B. is going to make college a joke. There is no way college can be harder then I.B., just no fricken way, It may be about the same amount of difficulty, but thats a good thing because they made me feel prepare for college. I also thought they were going to lecture us on how college would work, but they seemed more dependent on us for discussion. I wish I would of been more prepared.
first 36 pages
well so far, its not bad, there isn't really much that is going on, as I think the play so far has been led out, men keep fighting in wars, and the women are wishing to stop them by no more sex. A lot easier to understand then the other plays, as the themes seem easier to pick up in this one. One question that has been bugging me are the names, I mean, some of them are hard to pronounce, whats up with that, idk. Just somethin I figure that I express on what I think so far
start of Lysistrata, opening thoughts?
Compare to the other plays, this play seems to be "ancient", so I guess we can all expect a different style of writing. Although, the style of writing could be effective by the translation, and I don't don't like that the translators had "tone" down the style of writing in this play. I'm actually hype to read this one, as sure, themes and symbolsm we all are suppose to look for, but this play goes way back in history, so I'm curious on what the Spartans, or whoever is in the play on what they do in their time. I wish I was living there to get a feel what of they are going through, hopfully this book will do that :)
Has anyone read Bernarda in spanish?
A lot of Rufus King students take spanish and I wonder if anyone has looked at the spanish copy? I mean it was translated to english, and if anyone has read the spanish one, please inform this class on what its like, thx
If I had to be a character from one of the two plays, it would be...
Hedda or Maria Joesfa becuase no one can tell them what to do, not even society has restrictions on them. The thing that I like about these two women is that they fight for what they beleive, such as Maria wants to get marry and will not let Bernarda stand in her way or Hedda controls Tesman in order to get the valuables she wants. I like these characters because of their attitudes, what do u think.
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